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msgid "How to best use the mailing lists, such as how to help avoid frequently-repeated discussions"
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msgid "Abstract"
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"This is the FAQ for the FreeBSD mailing lists.  If you are interested in "
"helping with this project, send email to the {freebsd-doc}.  The latest "
"version of this document is always available from the link:.[FreeBSD World "
"Wide Web server].  It may also be downloaded as one large link:.[HTML] file "
"with HTTP or as plain text, PostScript, PDF, etc. from the https://download."
"freebsd.org/doc/[FreeBSD FTP server].  You may also want to link:https://www."
"FreeBSD.org/search/[Search the FAQ]."
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msgid "Introduction"
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"As is usual with FAQs, this document aims to cover the most frequently asked "
"questions concerning the FreeBSD mailing lists (and of course answer "
"them!).  Although originally intended to reduce bandwidth and avoid the same "
"old questions being asked over and over again, FAQs have become recognized "
"as valuable information resources."
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"This document attempts to represent a community consensus, and as such it "
"can never really be __authoritative__.  However, if you find technical "
"errors within this document, or have suggestions about items that should be "
"added, please either submit a PR, or email the {freebsd-doc}.  Thanks."
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msgid "What is the purpose of the FreeBSD mailing lists?"
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"The FreeBSD mailing lists serve as the primary communication channels for "
"the FreeBSD community, covering many different topic areas and communities "
"of interest."
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"This depends on charter of each individual list.  Some lists are more "
"oriented to developers; some are more oriented towards the FreeBSD community "
"as a whole.  Please see link:https://lists.FreeBSD.org/[this list] for the "
"current summary."
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msgid "Lists are English language, unless stated otherwise."
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msgid "Are the FreeBSD mailing lists open for anyone to participate?"
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"Again, this depends on charter of each individual list.  Please read the "
"charter of a mailing list before you post to it, and respect it when you "
"post.  This will help everyone to have a better experience with the lists."
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"If after reading the above lists, you still do not know which mailing list "
"to post a question to, you will probably want to post to freebsd-questions "
"(but see below, first)."
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"Also note that the mailing lists have traditionally been open to postings "
"from non-subscribers.  This has been a deliberate choice, to help make "
"joining the FreeBSD community an easier process, and to encourage open "
"sharing of ideas.  However, due to past abuse by some individuals, certain "
"lists now have a policy where postings from non-subscribers must be manually "
"screened to ensure that they are appropriate."
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msgid "How can I subscribe?"
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"You can use link:https://lists.FreeBSD.org/[the Mlmmj web interface] to "
"subscribe to any of the public lists."
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msgid "How can I unsubscribe?"
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"You can use the same interface as above; or, you can follow the instructions "
"that are at the bottom of every mailing list message that is sent."
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"Please do not send unsubscribe messages directly to the public lists "
"themselves.  First, this will not accomplish your goal, and second, it will "
"irritate the existing subscribers, and you will probably get flamed.  This "
"is a classical mistake when using mailing lists; please try to avoid it."
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"Yes. Threaded archives are available link:https://mail-archive.freebsd.org/mail/"
"[here].  You can also access https://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail[mailman "
"archive] and link:https://lists.freebsd.org/archives[mlmmj archive] directly."
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msgid "Yes. See link:https://lists.FreeBSD.org/[the Mlmmj web interface]."
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msgid "Mailing List Etiquette"
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"Participation in the mailing lists, like participation in any community, "
"requires a common basis for communication.  Please make only appropriate "
"postings, and follow common rules of etiquette."
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"You have already taken the most important step by reading this document.  "
"However, if you are new to FreeBSD, you may first need to familiarize "
"yourself with the software, and all the social history around it, by reading "
"the numerous link:https://www.FreeBSD.org/docs/books/[books and articles] "
"that are available.  Items of particular interest include the extref:{faq}"
"[FreeBSD Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ)] document, the extref:{handbook}"
"[FreeBSD Handbook], and the articles extref:{freebsd-questions-article}[How "
"to get best results from the FreeBSD-questions mailing list], extref:"
"{explaining-bsd}[Explaining BSD], and extref:{new-users}[FreeBSD First "
"Steps]."
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"It is always considered bad form to ask a question that is already answered "
"in the above documents.  This is not because the volunteers who work on this "
"project are particularly mean people, but after a certain number of times "
"answering the same questions over and over again, frustration begins to set "
"in.  This is particularly true if there is an existing answer to the "
"question that is already available.  Always keep in mind that almost all of "
"the work done on FreeBSD is done by volunteers, and that we are only human."
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msgid "What constitutes an inappropriate posting?"
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msgid "Postings must be in accordance with the charter of the mailing list."
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"Personal attacks are discouraged. As good net-citizens, we should try to "
"hold ourselves to high standards of behavior."
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"Spam is not allowed, ever. The mailing lists are actively processed to ban "
"offenders to this rule."
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"Please wrap lines at 75 characters, since not everyone uses fancy GUI mail "
"reading programs."
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"Please respect the fact that bandwidth is not infinite. Not everyone reads "
"email through high-speed connections, so if your posting involves something "
"like the content of [.filename]#config.log# or an extensive stack trace, "
"please consider putting that information up on a website somewhere and just "
"provide a URL to it. Remember, too, that these postings will be archived "
"indefinitely, so huge postings will simply inflate the size of the archives "
"long after their purpose has expired."
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"Format your message so that it is legible, and PLEASE DO NOT SHOUT!!!!!. Do "
"not underestimate the effect that a poorly formatted mail message has, and "
"not just on the FreeBSD mailing lists. Your mail message is all that people "
"see of you, and if it is poorly formatted, badly spelled, full of errors, "
"and/or has lots of exclamation points, it will give people a poor impression "
"of you."
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"Please use an appropriate human language for a particular mailing list. Many "
"non-English mailing lists are link:https://www.FreeBSD.org/community/"
"mailinglists/[available]."
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"For the ones that are not, we do appreciate that many people do not speak "
"English as their first language, and we try to make allowances for that.  It "
"is considered particularly poor form to criticize non-native speakers for "
"spelling or grammatical errors.  FreeBSD has an excellent track record in "
"this regard; please, help us to uphold that tradition."
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"Please use a standards-compliant Mail User Agent (MUA). A lot of badly "
"formatted messages come from http://www.lemis.com/grog/email/email.php[bad "
"mailers or badly configured mailers]. The following mailers are known to "
"send out badly formatted messages without you finding out about them:"
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msgid "exmh"
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msgid "Microsoft(R) Exchange"
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"Try not to use MIME: a lot of people use mailers which do not get on very "
"well with MIME."
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"Make sure your time and time zone are set correctly. This may seem a little "
"silly, since your message still gets there, but many of the people on these "
"mailing lists get several hundred messages a day. They frequently sort the "
"incoming messages by subject and by date, and if your message does not come "
"before the first answer, they may assume that they missed it and not bother "
"to look."
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"A lot of the information you need to supply is the output of programs, such "
"as man:dmesg[8], or console messages, which usually appear in [.filename]#/"
"var/log/messages#. Do not try to copy this information by typing it in "
"again; not only it is a real pain, but you are bound to make a mistake. To "
"send log file contents, either make a copy of the file and use an editor to "
"trim the information to what is relevant, or cut and paste into your "
"message. For the output of programs like `dmesg`, redirect the output to a "
"file and include that. For example,"
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"When using cut-and-paste, please be aware that some such operations badly "
"mangle their messages. This is of particular concern when posting contents "
"of [.filename]#Makefiles#, where `tab` is a significant character. This is a "
"very common, and very annoying, problem with submissions to the link:https://"
"www.FreeBSD.org/support/[Problem Reports database]. [.filename]#Makefiles# "
"with tabs changed to either spaces, or the annoying `=3B` escape sequence, "
"create a great deal of aggravation for committers."
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"Please include relevant text from the original message. Trim it to the "
"minimum, but do not overdo it. It should still be possible for somebody who "
"did not read the original message to understand what you are talking about."
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"This is especially important for postings of the type \"yes, I see this "
"too\", where the initial posting was dozens or hundreds of lines."
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"Use some technique to identify which text came from the original message, "
"and which text you add. A common convention is to prepend \"`>`\" to the "
"original message. Leaving white space after the \"`>`\" and leaving empty "
"lines between your text and the original text both make the result more "
"readable."
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"Please ensure that the attributions of the text you are quoting is correct. "
"People can become offended if you attribute words to them that they "
"themselves did not write."
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"Please do not `top post`. By this, we mean that if you are replying to a "
"message, please put your replies after the text that you copy in your reply."
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msgid "A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation."
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msgid "Q: Why is top posting frowned upon?"
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msgid "(Thanks to Randy Bush for the joke.)"
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"Participation in the mailing lists, like participation in any community, "
"requires a common basis for communication.  Many of the mailing lists "
"presuppose a knowledge of the Project's history.  In particular, there are "
"certain topics that seem to regularly occur to newcomers to the community.  "
"It is the responsibility of each poster to ensure that their postings do not "
"fall into one of these categories.  By doing so, you will help the mailing "
"lists to stay on-topic, and probably save yourself being flamed in the "
"process."
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"The best method to avoid this is to familiarize yourself with the http://"
"docs.FreeBSD.org/mail/[mailing list archives], to help yourself understand "
"the background of what has gone before.  In this, the https://www.FreeBSD."
"org/search/#mailinglists[mailing list search interface] is invaluable.  (If "
"that method does not yield useful results, please supplement it with a "
"search with your favorite major search engine)."
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"By familiarizing yourself with the archives, not only will you learn what "
"topics have been discussed before, but also how discussion tends to proceed "
"on that list, who the participants are, and who the target audience is.  "
"These are always good things to know before you post to any mailing list, "
"not just a FreeBSD mailing list."
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"There is no doubt that the archives are quite extensive, and some questions "
"recur more often than others, sometimes as followups where the subject line "
"no longer accurately reflects the new content.  Nevertheless, the burden is "
"on you, the poster, to do your homework to help avoid these recurring topics."
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"Literally, a `bikeshed` is a small outdoor shelter into which one may store "
"one's two-wheeled form of transportation.  However, in FreeBSD parlance, the "
"term refers to topics that are simple enough that (nearly) anyone can offer "
"an opinion about, and often (nearly) everyone does. The genesis of this term "
"is explained in more detail extref:{faq}[in this document, bikeshed-"
"painting].  You simply must have a working knowledge of this concept before "
"posting to any FreeBSD mailing list."
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"More generally, a bikeshed is a topic that will tend to generate immediate "
"meta-discussions and flames if you have not read up on their history."
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"Please help us to keep the mailing lists as useful for as many people as "
"possible by avoiding bikesheds whenever you can.  Thanks."
msgstr ""

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msgid "Acknowledgments"
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msgid "`{grog}`"
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"Original author of most of the material on mailing list etiquette, taken "
"from the article on extref:{freebsd-questions-article}[How to get best "
"results from the FreeBSD-questions mailing list]."
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msgid "`{linimon}`"
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msgid "Creation of the rough draft of this FAQ."
msgstr ""